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    2009 - Cars of the future

    Post by Mike on 14th November 2008, 09:22

    Williams Testing in Jerez in September



    Williams testing early Novemember




    Ferrari f2008K



    These are the only two teams to show off there new 2009 shod cars, well nearly.
    Use this thread to post the pictures when more teams reveal there hand and show us the cars of 2009.


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    Re: 2009 - Cars of the future

    Post by Mike on 18th November 2008, 18:39

    2009-spec car ugliest ever - Klien
    Tuesday, 18 November 2008
    Nov.18 (GMM) Test driver Christian Klien has issued a damning appraisal of the appearance of F1's cars of 2009.

    Observers had already raised their eyebrows when Williams recently tested a car fitted with a rear wing that conformed to next year's radical aerodynamic rule changes.

    The towering, skinny and basic look is back in action at Barcelona's Circuit de Catalunya this week, and BMW-Sauber's interim offering is complete with a wide and flat 2009-style front wing.

    "It's a sexy car isn't it?" BMW's Klien joked to reporters after driving the modified F1.08.

    "As it is at the moment it's the worst formula one car I have ever seen. It doesn't seem like it fits, all the big wings and everything.

    "But everyone will get used to it and it's not how it will look in March."

    Complete with a KERS system and slick tyres, however, the car was more competitive than its aesthetics suggest, Klien said.

    "It actually drives quite nice, the lap times are already quite good as you saw," he explained. "The high speed (sections) is a bit trickier but the slick tyres give a lot more grip at slower speeds."


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    Re: 2009 - Cars of the future

    Post by Bee on 19th November 2008, 17:32

    Senna has done very very well.. Completely took me by suprise.
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    Re: 2009 - Cars of the future

    Post by Mike on 20th November 2008, 16:36

    Well he did what he had to and beat Di Grassi.


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    Re: 2009 - Cars of the future

    Post by Bee on 20th November 2008, 17:21

    Yeah but only 3 tenths off Button's time? Yikes.
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    Re: 2009 - Cars of the future

    Post by Mike on 20th November 2008, 17:24

    Also of note for you Bee, Sato did very very well Very Happy

    First '2009' test Results -

    Unofficial Monday times from Barcelona:
    1. Takuma Sato, Toro Rosso, 1:20.763
    2. Sebastien Buemi, Toro Rosso, 1:21.071
    3. Alexander Wurz, Honda, 1:21.198
    4. Pedro de la Rosa, McLaren, 1:21.417
    5. Gary Paffett, McLaren, 1:21.956
    6. Luca Badoer, Ferrari, 1:23.264
    7. Robert Kubica, BMW Sauber, 1:22.341
    8. Sebastien Loeb, Red Bull, 1:22.503
    9. Nelson Piquet, Renault, 1:22.560
    10. Christian Klien, BMW Sauber, 1:22.883
    11. Nico Hulkenberg, Williams, 1:23.467
    12. Vitantonio Liuzzi, Force India, 1:23.794
    13. Adrian Sutil, Force India, 1:23.832
    14. Marc Gene, Ferrari, 1:24.177
    15. Bruno Senna, Honda, 1:24.343
    16. Giedo van der Garde, Renault, 1:24.908
    17. Lucas di Grassi, Honda, 1:25.512


    Unofficial Tuesday times from Barcelona:
    1. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 1:19.751
    2. Takuma Sato, Toro Rosso, 1:20.017
    3. Sebastien Bourdais, Toro Rosso, 1:20.034
    4. Sebastien Buemi, Toro Rosso, 1:20.223
    5. Gary Paffett, McLaren, 1:21.340
    6. Robert Kubica, BMW Sauber, 1:21.521
    7. Nico Rosberg, Williams, 1:21.525
    8. Jenson Button, Honda, 1:21.770
    9. Adrian Sutil, Force India, 1:22.073
    10. Lucas di Grassi, Honda, 1:22.283
    11. Nelson Piquet, Renault, 1:22.348
    12. Luca Badoer, Ferrari, 1:22.425
    13. Marc Gene, Ferrari, 1:22.772
    14. Nick Heidfeld, BMW Sauber, 1:22.945
    15. Giedo van der Garde, Renault, 1:23.250
    16. Pedro de la Rosa, Force India, 1:23.499


    Unofficial Wednesday times from Barcelona:
    1. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 1:19.295
    2. Sebastien Bourdais, Toro Rosso, 1:19.839
    3. Sebastien Buemi, Toro Rosso, 1:20.154
    4. Gary Paffett, McLaren, 1:21.140
    5. Jenson Button, Honda, 1:21.387
    6. Christian Klien, BMW Sauber, 1:21.534
    7. Nick Heidfeld, BMW Sauber, 1:21.592
    8. Bruno Senna, Honda, 1:21.676
    9. Nelson Piquet, Renault, 1:22.148
    10. Nico Hulkenberg, Williams, 1:22.410
    11. Luca Badoer, Ferrari, 1:22.866
    12. Giancarlo Fisichella, Force India, 1:23.086
    13. Pedro de la Rosa, Force India, 1:23.103


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    Re: 2009 - Cars of the future

    Post by Bee on 20th November 2008, 17:25

    Yep, my boy done well! Put Buemi right in his place. Smile
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    Re: 2009 - Cars of the future

    Post by Ross on 20th November 2008, 17:27

    Buemi's well overrated anyway imo.

    What interests me is that we've seen very little of Ferrari & McLaren's 09-spec cars yet. I wonder when we will.


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    Re: 2009 - Cars of the future

    Post by Mike on 20th November 2008, 17:31

    '1. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 1:19.295
    2. Sebastien Bourdais, Toro Rosso, 1:19.839'

    Thats the most interesting result for me. Bourdais should get the seat alongside Sato. 0.5 between RBR and STR is a smaller gap than I expected. Should we read into this?

    Alos De La Rosa being 2+seconds slower in a FI and Slower than Fisi is a significant result.


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    Re: 2009 - Cars of the future

    Post by in.s@ne on 20th November 2008, 18:22

    I think someones car is on fire lol
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    Re: 2009 - Cars of the future

    Post by Mike on 21st November 2008, 17:04

    Vettel took to warming up the brakes too literally.

    Anyone for some roasted bull?


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    Re: 2009 - Cars of the future

    Post by Metar on 29th November 2008, 13:47

    I think the roasted brakes are from Loeb's car. With so many Sebastians at Red Bull, it's hard to tell. Razz


    So far, here's where the teams stand:

    McLaren: Tested a KERS-equipped car.
    Ferrari: Simulated KERS-weight with ballast, ran a frankendiator (that huge bulge), admitted to struggling with KERS. Will use a Magnetti Marelli system.
    BMW: Ran an almost-'09 spec car (missing: the diffusor was '08 spec, and the gills on the sidepods will be illegal) with KERS and functioning wing-changes.
    Toyota: Admitted to struggling with KERS, will start '09 without it.
    Renault: Will use the same Marelli system as Ferrari, didn't run KERS-equipment.
    Red Bull / Toro Rosso: As Renault.
    Honda: Ran KERS and '09-legal front wing.
    Williams: Ran '09-spec front and rear wings, KERS unknown - so far the only team to use flywheel-KERS.
    Force India: Unknown, didn't run KERS (or Mercedes engines).
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    Re: 2009 - Cars of the future

    Post by Mike on 29th November 2008, 14:22

    It'll be interesting to see who gets it right this year. With Williams and BMW running high rear wings and Honda having a relativity low rear wing it'll be interesting to see which is more of an advantage.


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    Re: 2009 - Cars of the future

    Post by Leks on 29th November 2008, 14:28

    I'm sure we can have a Fantasy F1 game when the season starts, that'l be good fun trying to work out who the hell to pick.
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    Re: 2009 - Cars of the future

    Post by Metar on 29th November 2008, 14:39

    Honda didn't run a 2009-spec wing yet, Mike - what you see there is the regular 2008 wing.

    There isn't much room to play with as far as aero goes.. This season, we had Renault's ultra-low front nose with the radical connectors, or the very high Honda nose. Next season? Minimum and maximums for the nosecone-height, and even more rules regarding other aerodynamic surfaces.
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    Re: 2009 - Cars of the future

    Post by Mike on 29th November 2008, 14:43

    Ah I see. I thought Honda ran a '09 reg Front and Rear. I still think '09 will see different winners. Honda and Red Bull really think they are in with a chance of wins maybe even titles... I only think titles would happen if we keep points and no Medals.


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    Re: 2009 - Cars of the future

    Post by Ross on 29th November 2008, 15:12

    Not sure about Red Bull, they seem to be rated alot higher since Vettel signed for them...

    Yeah I genuinly, for the first time ever, have no idea what the pecking order will be.


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    Re: 2009 - Cars of the future

    Post by Leks on 29th November 2008, 15:25

    I think we are very lucky to be able to have no idea. For 99% of past seasons we've all known who the top 3 teams will be.

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